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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Just a
thought here on the parent issue (and not the offside ruling) - for the group
to help think through also:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>First, on
the game report, I would indicate the situation in the “escalation
situation” portion of the report – just so the league is aware.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Second,
when I have had a unnecessarily vocal parent on the sidelines relative to my
ref work, I have taken the first break in the game action to speak (very quietly,
so as to not attract attention) with that team’s coach and ask that s/he
have a conversation with the parents as a whole and let them know how any “referee
issues” need to be addressed – that being only through the coach to
the Ref, and not by anyone else on the sidelines. I also let him/her know that
it will end up in the game report for the league if it continues. That usually handles
it adequately. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Usually
this type of thing is not a big deal at all, nor a really “hostile”
situation from the parent’s end. But it is really important to establish the
general “etiquette of the game” for all involved – especially
early in a young player’s career. As the kids get older and the games get
more and more competitive/heated, I have seen how bad behavior can naturally become
much more prevalent by all involved (players, coaches, and parents). So the
more we can do to (in a constructive/positively way) help guide them early on as
how to behave on the playing field, the better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Again, just
my food for thought, from someone who cares deeply about good sportsmanship by
all in our youth sports!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Russell Reynolds Associates is the most trusted name in global
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Daniel Edelson
[mailto:dredelson@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Kasser-Menlo Park; jw_neil@yahoo.com; 'Daniel Edelson';
ayso45-refs@ayso45.org; 'Anna Silverman'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I can’t seem to locate an email address for the coach on
webyouthsoccer. If I recall correctly, I think the team was U10B-6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ayso45-refs-bounces@ayso45.org
[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces@ayso45.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Kasser-Menlo
Park<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'jw_neil@yahoo.com'; 'Daniel Edelson'; 'ayso45-refs@ayso45.org';
'Anna Silverman'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The bigger question in my
mind is why a parent is behaving like this. From the description below, this
sounds completely unacceptable regardless of the actual offsides call. Not sure
if that aspect of the below has been addressed with that team coach?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ayso45-refs-bounces@ayso45.org
[mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces@ayso45.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Neil<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniel Edelson; ayso45-refs@ayso45.org; Anna Silverman<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Agreed. Good call. Actually, unusually
good. <br>
<br>
If the player made ANY move that could be considered a play then
offside should be called, but if he made no play and was not obstructing the
goal keeper or any defender then he was not offside. <br>
<br>
In general, a player can stand in an offside position, but is only offside if
he/she makes a "play". This includes obstruction (so a
player cannot simply stand in front of the goalkeeper for example) and dummy
runs, or almost any kind of movement except back to his/her own lines
well out of the way. <br>
<br>
Note, a player will also be offside if he/she runs back onside, but
THEN goes for the ball. It is all about denying him/her the
advantage of being in that offside position when the ball was kicked.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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--- On <b>Wed, 11/4/09, Anna Silverman <i><anna@silverman.org></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Anna Silverman <anna@silverman.org><br>
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again<br>
To: "Daniel Edelson" <dredelson@gmail.com>,
ayso45-refs@ayso45.org<br>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:39 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>No, it is not offside until and unless he makes a play for
the ball, or prevents the defending team from playing the ball. Your no call
was right on.<br>
Anna<br>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Edelson" <<a
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To: <<a href="/mc/compose?to=ayso45-refs@ayso45.org">ayso45-refs@ayso45.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:47 PM<br>
Subject: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again<br>
<br>
<br>
> (Tried sending this once but didn't see it. Trying again. Apologies if
this is a duplicate.)<br>
> <br>
> Last weekend I ref'd a U10B game. A parent became irate with me for not
calling an offside infraction. An attacker was in an offside position and the
ball rolled near them, well within playable range. The attacker did not play
the ball nor block line of sight of a defender, so neither the AR nor I called
offsides. A parent griped that since the player in an offside position could
have played, we should have declared offsides.<br>
> <br>
> Ruling?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks.<br>
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