[ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

Thu Nov 5 16:50:49 PST 2009

Ok, I will go back and add this to the game report. I had not included it
but I like your suggestions. Thanks.

From: Brian Kasser-Menlo Park [mailto:bkasser at russellreynolds.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Daniel Edelson; jw_neil at yahoo.com; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org; 'Anna
Silverman'
Subject: RE: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

Dan

Just a thought here on the parent issue (and not the offside ruling) - for
the group to help think through also:

First, on the game report, I would indicate the situation in the "escalation
situation" portion of the report - just so the league is aware.

Second, when I have had a unnecessarily vocal parent on the sidelines
relative to my ref work, I have taken the first break in the game action to
speak (very quietly, so as to not attract attention) with that team's coach
and ask that s/he have a conversation with the parents as a whole and let
them know how any "referee issues" need to be addressed - that being only
through the coach to the Ref, and not by anyone else on the sidelines. I
also let him/her know that it will end up in the game report for the league
if it continues. That usually handles it adequately. 

Usually this type of thing is not a big deal at all, nor a really "hostile"
situation from the parent's end. But it is really important to establish the
general "etiquette of the game" for all involved - especially early in a
young player's career. As the kids get older and the games get more and more
competitive/heated, I have seen how bad behavior can naturally become much
more prevalent by all involved (players, coaches, and parents). So the more
we can do to (in a constructive/positively way) help guide them early on as
how to behave on the playing field, the better.

Again, just my food for thought, from someone who cares deeply about good
sportsmanship by all in our youth sports!

Regards,

Brian

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From: Daniel Edelson [mailto:dredelson at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:41 AM
To: Brian Kasser-Menlo Park; jw_neil at yahoo.com; 'Daniel Edelson';
ayso45-refs at ayso45.org; 'Anna Silverman'
Subject: RE: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

I can't seem to locate an email address for the coach on webyouthsoccer. If
I recall correctly, I think the team was U10B-6.

From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
On Behalf Of Brian Kasser-Menlo Park
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:18 AM
To: 'jw_neil at yahoo.com'; 'Daniel Edelson'; 'ayso45-refs at ayso45.org'; 'Anna
Silverman'
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

The bigger question in my mind is why a parent is behaving like this. From
the description below, this sounds completely unacceptable regardless of the
actual offsides call. Not sure if that aspect of the below has been
addressed with that team coach?

Brian

From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
On Behalf Of Joseph Neil
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:32 PM
To: Daniel Edelson; ayso45-refs at ayso45.org; Anna Silverman
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

Agreed.   Good call.  Actually, unusually good.  

If the player made ANY move  that could be considered a play  then offside
should be called, but if he made no play and was not obstructing the goal
keeper or any defender then he was not offside.  

In general, a player can stand in an offside position, but is only offside
if he/she  makes a "play".  This includes obstruction (so a player cannot
simply stand in front of the goalkeeper for example) and dummy runs, or
almost any kind of movement except back to his/her  own lines well out of
the way.   

Note, a player will also be offside if he/she  runs back onside, but THEN
goes for the ball.  It is all about denying him/her  the advantage of being
in that offside position when the ball was kicked.

Joe

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Anna Silverman <anna at silverman.org> wrote:

From: Anna Silverman <anna at silverman.org>
Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again
To: "Daniel Edelson" <dredelson at gmail.com>, ayso45-refs at ayso45.org
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 5:39 PM

No, it is not offside until and unless he makes a play for the ball, or
prevents the defending team from playing the ball. Your no call was right
on.
Anna

----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Edelson" <dredelson at gmail.com>
To: <ayso45-refs at ayso45.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: [ayso45-refs] Perennial question: offsides rule, yet again

> (Tried sending this once but didn't see it. Trying again. Apologies if
this is a duplicate.)
> 
> Last weekend I ref'd a U10B game. A parent became irate with me for not
calling an offside infraction. An attacker was in an offside position and
the ball rolled near them, well within playable range. The attacker did not
play the ball nor block line of sight of a defender, so neither the AR nor I
called offsides. A parent griped that since the player in an offside
position could have played, we should have declared offsides.
> 
> Ruling?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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