[ayso45-refs] Question on U8 goal Kick

[Beau James]

Beau James wrote:
> kurt runke wrote:
>> If a team takes a restart kick quickly (before the other team clears
>> out beyond the 6 yards) and the ball hits the other team (inside of 6
>> yards), I'd assume there is no violation?
>
> Correct.

One clarification/exception: on a goal kick (or /any /free kick by the 
defense taken from within their own penalty area), the ball is* *not in 
play until it leaves the penalty area.

Even when the defense takes a quick kick, if the ball is touched by /any 
/player (either team) before it leaves the penalty area, the kick must 
be retaken.

Beau

>> (I've seen this on a
>> direct/indirect free kick when a team on the attack wants to press an
>> advantage.)
>>   
>
> The complete explanation, from the "Interpretations and Guidelines" 
> section of the Laws of the Game (Law 13, page 125 in the 2009/2010 
> edition):
>
>>     _*Distance*_
>>
>>         * If a player decides to take a free kick quickly and an
>>           opponent who is less than 9.15 m from the ball intercepts
>>           it, the referee must allow play to continue.
>>
>
> Of course, the opponent is still expected to have been moving away 
> from the ball, not standing still or trying to block the free kick; 
> and adjust the required distance for the youth divisions (6 yards in 
> U7/U8; 8 yards in U10; 10 yards [9.15 meters] in U12 and older).
>
> Beau
>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Beau James <b_james at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>   
>>> Padma Ramaswamy wrote:
>>>
>>> The AYSO Guide for Referees and Coaches says
>>>
>>> "As
>>> with free kicks, the team taking the goal kick may elect to take a quick
>>> kick before all of the opposing
>>> team has retreated outside the penalty area as required."
>>>
>>> So I assume the referees do not enforce the opponents staying 6 yrds away ?
>>> Very often the Goalkeeper or defender quickly kicks the ball back into play,
>>> and in order not to interrupt the flow of the game, I let it pass.
>>>
>>> Is this correct ?
>>>
>>>
>>> It really depends on age, experience,  and context.
>>>
>>> Opponents are responsible for moving away from the point were the ball is
>>> being placed for the goal kick.  That is always the opponents responsibility
>>> on any free kick - the person taking the kick does not need to ask them to
>>> move!  And this applies at every age and division.
>>>
>>> Whether the opponents succeed in getting the full required distance away (6
>>> yards, in U7/U8) depends on whether the defense decides to take a quick
>>> kick. In general, the referee should not stop the defense from taking a
>>> quick kick.
>>>
>>> However, if the opponents are not even trying to move away from the ball -
>>> or worse, if the opponents are intentionally standing still in front of the
>>> kicker (and closer than the 6 yard minimum, in U7/U8), then at every
>>> age/division, the referee should be verbally instructing/warning the
>>> opponents to "respect the distance".
>>>
>>> In U7 and U8 the referee is also helping to teach the players the game.
>>> Depending on the specific situation (e.g. repeated violations, or complete
>>> confusion about how far is "6 yards"), it may be appropriate for the referee
>>> to make a kick "ceremonial" rather than waiting for the kicker to request
>>> it:
>>>
>>> -ask the kicker to wait for a signal,
>>> - pace off the distance to show the opponents how far away they must be from
>>> the ball,
>>> -then signal for the kick.
>>>
>>> Whether to do this, and how often, is up to the referee's judgment at each
>>> match.
>>>
>>> Beau
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Padma
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Robert L. Henderson <bob at starshippilot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Robert L. Henderson <bob at starshippilot.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [ayso45-refs] Question on U8 goal Kick
>>> To: "Rowsey, Eric M" <eric.rowsey at av.abbott.com>
>>> Cc: "AYSO45 Refs" <ayso45-refs at ayso45.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:10 AM
>>> Correct!
>>>
>>> Rowsey, Eric M wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say 6 yards from placement of the goal kick
>>>
>>>
>>> and certainly not
>>>
>>>
>>> inside the goal/penalty area.
>>>
>>> Eric Rowsey
>>> Manager, Quality
>>> DES New Product Development Abbott Vascular
>>> 3200 Lakeside Drive
>>> Santa Clara, CA. 95054
>>> Tel 408-845-1120
>>> Fax 408-845-4397
>>> eric.rowsey at av.abbott.com
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org
>>> [mailto:ayso45-refs-bounces at ayso45.org]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of Pradeep Kathail
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:59 PM
>>> To: AYSO45 Refs
>>> Subject: [ayso45-refs] Question on U8 goal Kick
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Since U8 division has common goal and penalty area,
>>>
>>>
>>> How far a defender
>>>
>>>
>>> must be from the goal area for a goal kick?
>>>
>>> Brgds.
>>> Pradeep
>>>       

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